meaning of random effects p-value in the report

utkcito

Hello,

following up on a previous thread (https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/MANOVA-repeated-measures-two-factors-multiple-comparisons/m-p/54194), I have done and experiment on 20 subjects (data for #6 is missing - total of 19 samples). We have 5 sampling times. There are patients who had complications and those that didn't. We have the data normalized by the median, and I am using the log-transformed normalized data to make it more gaussian. I have prepared a mixed model to assess the effects of the patients as a random effect, and the sampling time and complications as fixed effects. See attached data.

 

When running the model, sometimes the patient[complications] (i.e. patients nested in complications) random effects has a p-value lower than 0.05 in the "Random Effects Covariance Parameter Estimates"... what does it mean? the random effects variable cannot be significant since I am defining it as random, or am I getting something wrong (conceptually)?

 

thanks,

 

Uriel.

bari MCP1.jmp

Mark_Bailey

This distinction is a common point of confusion.

The linear model contains two kinds of effects: fixed and random. Fixed effects contribute to the response mean. They are attributed to changing factor/predictor levels. They are reproducible. Random effects contribute to the response variance. At a minimum, the random errors are the random effect. In other cases, there are additional sources (e.g., subjects, days, et cetera). They are not attributed to a particular factor/predictor but to a group or sample of observations. They are not reproducible (e.g., new days, new subjects, et cetera). Generally the random contribution is small relative to the mean and we simply want to account for it, not explain it or assign a cause.

The random effects are (usually) modelled as a normal distribution with a mean of zero. They do not bias the response mean.